the Body Debate

This is an older ranty post which has some baring on the new F60 debate, and plus I never had a chance to post it... ;)

There are a few interesting things coming up in conversation about the bodies of some dolls. I managed to get into a conversation about the types of bodies that have been crafted by CP. I said that the F70/Delf and Minifee bodies were the same aesthetically, while the F65 and Chicline were the same - that would leave the LittleFee, Pukifee, PukiPuki and RealPuki in the same boat in much the same way. 

I was told off. I'm not really sure why, I would have thought it obvious from the style, joint positioning etc that it was fairly obvious... But then people don't always see the obvious, do they?

Anyway. I was also told off for suggesting that the F65 and ChicLine were similar aesthetically as well, which I also thought was a fairly easy thing to see. That would be why they made them when they already have both MSDs and SD-SSDs. What would be the purpose of making another doll of the same style as a doll you already have if it was very close and similar to one you already have? Admittedly, Iplehouse has done it, but then Iplehouse only make one sort of doll and to make it in different sizes (which I believe for the most part aren't hybrid-able) isn't going to take money from them. 

CP line up male/female + (MNF bline/aline), without F65s (don't have one :( )

CP currently makes a large range of dolls:

1. The Feeple 70: the prototype doll where they tested all the jointing that would later be put into the Delf. 
2. The Feeple 65: a more realistic doll more in keeping with the styles of the Iplehouses and SOOM Idealian and Mega Gem. The body is larger and wider than an F70, while the face is narrower. (in proportion)
3. The Delf: CPs 60cm SD which has been sold by Luts since its conception. Its head is able to be hybrided onto the F70 and vise versa. Delfs are very similar to the F70 in looks. (Currently not available for sale)
4. Minifee: a smaller version of a Delf, the MNF is popular. There are two body types, the older B-line and the much more updated and posable A-line. 
5. Chic-line: smaller than a MNF, the CL has a smaller/narrower head, a wider body (in the case of the boys) and different jointing. MNF and LTF heads can be hybrided onto CL bodies. (but not vise versa)
6. Little Fee: the YoSD, they are well jointed and very posable. 
7. Pukifee: smaller than a yo, the pukifee are well known for their bobble heads. They can also have a smaller multihead. 
8. PukiPuki: the oldest tiny created, the Pukipuki are still on a single jointed body. They can also have the multihead attached. 
9. RealPuki: the newest Tinies, the RealPuki only stands 9.5cm. PukiPuki faceplates can be hybrided onto RealPukis.

RealPuki   Pukifee   Little Fee

PukiPuki and Multihead with Puki body

Of the smaller dolls (LittleFee, Pukifee, PukiPuki and RealPuki), the Puki is the oldest, it still has single jointed elbows and knees and a single joint in the torso. The other three follow a very similar formula: each has double jointed elbows and knees, each has a mobility joint in the thigh (RealPukis have them in the upper arm as well), and each has two joints in the body, one at the breastbone and the other at the hips. All three sizes also have magnetic hands and feet.

All  of the smaller sizes follow a similar aesthetic, decidedly anime, with large heads - although in slightly different proportions - the pukifee is decidedly out of proportion as is the Real Puki. 

The larger dolls fall into two different categories- those which have the same aesthetic as the smaller dolls, and those who don't. 

The F70, Delf and Minifee are similar to the smaller dolls, while the F65 and ChicLine do not. 

Feeple70, Delf and Minifee

MNF B-line female, Delf female Type 1 (torso joint)

The bodies of these follow a fairly easy data-ble line. The oldest bodies are the Delf Types 1&2 and the Minifee B-line. In the middle is the Delf Type 3 male and the F70s, while the Minifee A-lines are the newest. 

I say this for several reasons. The original Delf bodies and MNF B-lines share similar characteristics. Both have single jointed elbows and knees and both have a single torso joint. The Minifee B-line's body joint, along with the Delf bodies released with the neck mechanism (sometimes simply called Type 2s) are at the hip, while the other bodies have them at the chest. (the shapes of the elbow and knee joints in single joint Delfs and Bline MNF are the same)

F70 female, Delf female Type 1

The F70s and Type 3s both have double jointed elbows and knees - with distinct 'caps' in the knee joint (which is duplicated in the smaller Pukifee and RealPukis). This is the only real difference between them and earlier bodies. 

MNF B-line large bust; MNF A-line large bust

The Minifee A-line bodies are most definitely one step ahead of the others. The joints in their elbows have been updated from those in the Feeple70 (which have a tendency to turn around in the socket) while their 'capped' knees move more freely. The main differences are the additions of a double jointed body- one just below the breast (higher than in Delfs or Feeple70s) and one at the hips, which doubles the range of motion and flexibility from the older B-lines. They also include caps in the hip socket to broaden the range of motion and a mobility joint cut into the upper thigh. (B-line MNF can also have this cap)

Chic line and Feeple65

MNF A-line female, MNF A-line male, Chicline male

The main differences between the male muscular and non-muscular Chic line and the corresponding MNF Bodies is the style - the Chic line male is broader and shorter and has a different construction of abs and musculature, making a more realistic appearance rather than the stylized MNF. The hands, feet and head are smaller, as well as employing magnets on the feet. This stylistic difference is repeated through the female versions. The other main difference is the construction of the joints, mainly the knee joints. Chiclines do not have the distinctive cap, rather a construction rather like the LTF. This hides the cap, but also makes way for an ability to disjoint the doll at the knee, revealing a well hidden O ring. 

MNF A-line, F65 female (sorry no C-line comparison)

The female Chiclines have more differences between them and their MNF counterparts. The female C-line does not have a hip joint, and the construction and shape of the hips, waist and upper thighs is considerably different to that of the MNF - giving a much more feminine and realistic shape. Their hands and feet are significantly smaller, as is the body and height - from their MNF counterparts and the male Chicline. 

Take into account the new owner pics of nude F65 females and males and the similarities between them become more obvious. 

non-muscular males: C-line and F65

Females: C-line, F65

the boys in particular glaring similarities - the same elbow joint, the same knee joint, the shape of the torso, position of the torso joint, general shape of the torso/lower abdomen piece. The girls share less similarities - they have the same body construction with a narrow hip and waist and no lower abdomen joint; they have the same shape boobs - however the girls have two major differences - the Chicline has a mobility joint in the thigh while the F65 does not, and the F65 shares the same knee construction as an F70.

So that is the end of my rant. Probably not the end of my rant-y posts though, I'm sure another will pop up sometime. You can chose to believe me, you can chose not to, really its up to you.